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- BELL TOLLING for the Swine Flu -

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An interview with
TERESA FORCADES

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Monastery of Sant Benet
Montserrat - Barcelona
9/23/2009
TC: Teresa Forcades has corrected
on the subtitles some of the figures
and data quoted in this interview.

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My name is Teresa Forcades i Vila.

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I'm a Benedictine nun at
Sant Benet of Montserrat's monastery.

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before joining the monastery
I practiced medicine for several years.

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I'm a physician
specialized in internal medicine,

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and I have a PHD in Public Health
at Barcelona's University.

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I carried out the specialization in the USA,
at the State University of NY.

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What we call swine flu (A),

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it's also called, mainly in Catalonia, "the new flu"

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this term (the new flu) may lead some

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people to believe
that the "A" type flu virus

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is a new virus.

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Well, this isn't a new
type of virus

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"A" type viruses are part of the
yearly common flu, the seasonal flu.

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Regarding flu viruses we have...

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maybe everyone's aware of this,
but I always start with the basics,

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we have A, B and C type viruses.

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These are the known flu viruses
affecting humans.

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because the "C" virus only normally affects
a smaller proportion of the population

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it's not used for the manufacturing
of the yearly vaccines.

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Therefore, every year,
the seasonal flu vaccine

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is a mixture of "A" and "B" type virus.

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Therefore the so-called "new flu
or swine flu"

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is not new because of
being of an "A" type

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Then some could argue
that it's new because of the antigens

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of the A-H1N1 virus...

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...the hemagglutinin (H)
and the neuraminidase (N).

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These are surface proteins
that could appear to give it the novelty nature.

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Well, this isn't the case.

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It must be said, these proteins are not
providing a novelty nature to this virus.

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Because this same group, A-H1N1,

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was the same flu virus group that in 1918

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caused the terrible pandemic that killed

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more than 20 million people
worldwide.

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It was this same type of virus

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and it existed amongst the population until
around the mid 50s.

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In 1957 it seems to disappear
from what it's known as seasonal flu viruses.

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It disappears and reappears in the year 1977.

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This can be looked up by
any physician or anyone

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in "The New England Journal of Medicine"

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where last month, an article was published

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about the History of the flu viruses

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and I quote "The New England
Journal of Medicine"

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as it's the most well-known and respected
medical journal

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The article confirms as fact
that this virus reappeared (the A-H1N1 virus)

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in 1977 because it had been
resynthesized in a lab.

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Therefore it came from a lab.

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And I say resynthesized but it seems
that what happened was that

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they went to exhume the body of an Inuit,
an Eskimo woman who died from this flu in 1918,

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as her body remained under the ice
it was possible to recover from the tissues

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the necessary elements to produce again,
or to resynthesize this virus.

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To recap, this happened in 1977 and
according to "The New England Journal of Medicine"

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this is an established fact.

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From 1977, we have then
the A-H1N1 flu virus

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being  part of the pool or mixture of
the seasonal flu viruses

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Well, what is then new this year?

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The novelty is the viral strain (S-OIV).

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This year's viral strain (S-OIV)
is a strain unknown until now.

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And it's this new strain which was
first diagnosed on April, 17th (2009)

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it seems that's the origin of the first diagnose
with two cases in California.

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These are the first cases on record

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when we first heard about a new virus.

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Therefore the novelty is just the strain (S-OIV).

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This is the first scientific fact.

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The second important scientific fact
to bear in mind is that

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since it began on April 17th
until September 15th

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which is when I last read the statistics,

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the figures recorded,
now, I'm quoting this figure by heart so

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it may not be exact but I won't be so far off,
137 deaths Worldwide
(TC: 137 in Europe, 3.559 deaths worldwide).

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Therefore having already gone through
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through what's called Austral Winter

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with this new virus,

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and having had a lower mortality rate
than usual during this period.

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The numbers, as I say are by heart...

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From April 17th to September 15th,

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137 deaths in Europe
and 3.559 deaths worldwide (TC)

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The numbers, I insist are by heart
but I won't be far wrong.

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And I quote them because,
it's important to do so

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there have been lots of declarations,

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but I'll quote one by a member of the
National Medical Ethics Committee of France,

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who's name is J. Dupré.

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Or for instance another by the President of the
General Spanish Medical Associations,

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Rodríguez Sendín.

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Both prestigious doctors

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have confirmed that based on the scientific
data that we have at hand

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this new virus has a lower mortality
rate than the common flu

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or than common seasonal viruses.

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I'll end this scientific part
with an important note

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an important piece of data fully accredited
on medical literature

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that says that it seems that
people older than 60,

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have already a 33% of immunity
against this new virus.

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These are important objective facts
to take into account before getting
into an in-depth assessment.

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Next, I'll mention two irregularities
that have taken place in the way...

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or the consequences so far of
the discovery of this virus

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relatively new strain.

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the irregularities remain,
to my understanding and

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to the understanding of any
objective observer,

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they've remained unclarified,

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and they're too serious
to remain unclarified.

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Firstly, the investigative journalist Jane Bürgermeister,
(TC: she pressed bioterrorism and mass murder attempt charges
against the WHO, the UN, and some CEOs of governments and companies)

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a journalist born in Switzerland,
with Austrian and Irish citizenship...

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heard about what I'm about to tell you now,

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and she was the one who made the
information available,

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anyone can verify that the information
that I'm going to disclose

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is accurate and objective.

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What happened?

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At the end of January 2009 and so before
this new flu was the newly discovered flu

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Baxter Pharmaceutical,

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a USA Company with a very important
subsidiary Company in Austria

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proceeded to distribute from
the Austrian subsidiary Company

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via 4 European neighbouring countries,

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Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany,
to 16 different laboratories

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vaccination material for the flu,

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which was material for the vaccine to be
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to the population of those countries,

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for the seasonal flu virus vaccine.

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This material weighed 72 Kg.

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Well, I haven't calculated
the exact number of doses

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but it certainly means thousands
and thousands of doses.

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So, this was distributed...

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and here comes the point when
through one of those life's coincidences

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situations or plans are revealed
that otherwise would have remained in the dark.

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The Czech Republic Company Bio Test

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was one of the recipients
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one of their lab technicians decided
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and as something he was qualified to do
but not obliged...

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to carry out an extra security test
with the vaccination material that they received

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before proceeding to its distribution.

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So, before the distribution
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what this lab technician did was
to inoculate this vaccine to animals

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called in Spanish comadrejas
or hurones, weasels or ferrets,

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small mammals that have been used
since 1918 to test flu vaccines.

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He inoculated these weasels
and all of them died.

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When he observed these unexpected deaths,

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and given that the inoculated vaccine shouldn't
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he immediately raised the alarm

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and they began checks to establish what
this material received from Baxter contained

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because if its contents was a vaccine,
the death of all the animals was inexplicable.

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The results of the analysis showed that

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in the material delivered by
Baxter to those 16 laboratories,

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two live viruses coexisted,

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One was the bird flu virus,

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the bird flu virus is the virus
that appeared in 2005,

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and that caused a high mortality rate
but infected just a few people.

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The number of deaths Worldwide,
and I quote by heart, was around 250

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but as far as we know, around 60%
of those infected died.

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This means that if 250 died
Worldwide just around 600 got infected

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...whichever the exact number is.

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Therefore the mortality rate of this virus is very high,
but its infection rate is minimal.

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This virus was mixed with a seasonal flu virus

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that, as we all know, has an extremely
low mortality rate, it means lower than 0,01%...

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lower than 1% of mortality at any rate,
but with a high degree of transmission

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well, it's highly contagious...

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with a high infection rate...

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If you mix these two viruses and then you distribute it
to thousands of people, what you're doing

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is you're maximizing the probabilities for
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for them to recombine,
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to be both very lethal
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This is a fact and this has been
admitted by Baxter

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They haven't said "No, this is not true...
this is just what by Jane Bürgermeister says

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or whoever, but this material wasn't there..."

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This has been officially admitted by Baxter,

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(TC: They have admitted that the contamination took place but not that
the material was destined for human use. Claiming protection behind
the confidentiality rights, they haven't disclosed information about
its destination).

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...that the total 72 Kgs of the material contained
a mix of live bird flu and seasonal flu viruses.

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This is a fact.

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Could this have happened by chance?

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The first thing that must be said is that
it is extremely unlikely.

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And I say this simply because in Science
the word impossible... is something we never say.

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What does it mean extremely unlikely?

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It means that laboratories
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have Bio Security Levels in place

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the Bio Security Level 3
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and the one that must be applied
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it means that if we talk

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in a Science context about probability,
based on known facts

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the probability that this may have happened
by chance is extremely low.

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Not only this, it's not just...

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how can we explain the mixing
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But also because, the flu vaccine,
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is a vaccine made with attenuated viruses.

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This means that it's perfectly normal for
the flu vaccine to contain live virus

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this is not an exception.

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But attenuated means that the virus
must go through a radiation procedure.

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These viruses found in the Czech Republic and
in the whole Baxter material hadn't been attenuated.

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Therefore the odds of it happening by chance, well...

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That's why I say that scientifically or simply

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from a humanly prudent standpoint we can't say

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that it's 100% impossible but,

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let's be clear, it's important
to let it be known

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how unlikely it is for an accident to occur
under these circumstances.

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In any case, this has happened
and it's under investigation.

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This journalist, Bürgermeister has pressed charges,
not only against Baxter, but also against the WHO
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she has also pressed charges against
governments of important countries,

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because...  it seems that with
the information at hand

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it's more probable to think in terms
of malicious intent

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and this is what she denounces

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rather than think that there have been a series of
chance events almost impossible to conceive.

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But, and I insist, it's very important
to separate objective facts

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from those which haven't been proven yet.

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I think that the good thing about this video,
about this information that we are facilitating

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is that it may reach the wider public,
the more people the better

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and for it to reach those who,

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... about the existence of plans from a World elite
that wants part of the population to disappear...

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or even much of the population, that...

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when hearing all this say
"but... where's all this coming from?

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This is science fiction,
I've never heard about this".

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I know that there are people
who have been studying this for a while.

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But I would wish that my message
reached someone who says...

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"Look I don't know anything about that stuff,
but I've just heard that there was a laboratory

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that delivered a contaminated vaccine

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and that, interestingly...

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(I haven't mentioned this but it's a fact...)

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it's one of the laboratories in charge of
making flu vaccines this year."

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Well, this fact alone makes it justifiable
to myself to think that

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"Until such time as an explanation is given
about why this contamination took place

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I won't wish it on me, on my child
nor on anyone close to me".

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I don't know if I've been clear
enough about this point.

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Because I think it's important
to make it clear.

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I'd like to get to the second irregularity

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because there's a second one
even more scandalous than this first one.

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The second irregularity happened as follows...

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What I've just said about Baxter
happened in February,

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I've also said that in April 17th we had
the first diagnosis of the new flu.

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Well then, in April 29th,

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twelve days after those two
first cases were discovered,

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WHO's Director-General, Dr Margaret Chan

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(the World Health Organization
depends on the United Nations)

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made a public appearance
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a Level 5 Worldwide state of alert

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for the prevention of a pandemic.

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What does this mean?

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Level 5 is quite a high level,
after 5 there is only Level 6 left

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Level 6 means the
pandemic is already happening

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What does a pandemic mean...

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So how could, we may ask...

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doctor Chan and the whole
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How could they declare a pandemic...

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Because, well, I haven't mentioned this but,

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on April 29 they say Level 5,

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and one month and a half later,
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the appearance of the first cases,
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so now I'm talking about June 11th...

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on June 11th Dr Margaret Chan announces Level 6,
(On 11/06/09 the WHO declares a Level 6 Pandemic,
the maximum level of health alert)

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we then have a global pandemic
of the A-H1N1 flu virus.

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this global pandemic has already been
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how could WHO declare a pandemic, taking
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not an infection rate...
a mortality rate lower than the yearly virus?

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Then, how come isn't there a
pandemic every year,

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if the yearly virus is worse
than this new virus?

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How come don't we declare
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Well, it's quite simple

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the answer is that this year
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in May 2009 the WHO changed
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from its then current definition

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of an infection by an infectious agent

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simultaneously present in different countries
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with a significant mortality ratio to the
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into removing from the definition
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Therefore the new definition went
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a simultaneous infection
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carrying an infectious agent
showing any novelty characteristic

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thus leaving us unable to know the type
of immunity present within the population.

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With this new definition,
and it is a definition...

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I'm quoting it from the "British
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So I insist that all this information that I'm giving
doesn't come from the alternative press,

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for whom I have great respect,

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but I think it's important to know that all this
information comes from the most prestigious magazines

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and absolutely "main stream"
as they say in English

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free from any possible suspicion of
tendentiousness anyway.

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So this amended definition
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if the mortality requirement disappears
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then we should ask ourselves...

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well... what prevents the annual
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with this definition in place
nothing prevents it.

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With this definition...
what we are seeing now,

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with this investment... and I'll get now
into the political consequences,

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which is in fact where I wanted to get to,

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All that is happening now that seems to be
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under the new definition, it wouldn't
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So this would be the situation year after year,

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and this is just with the flu, not to mention
other diseases with the same characteristics...

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One may say... wait a minute...

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Isn't it true that this virus is less infectious,
sorry... less lethal...

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that it presents a lower mortality rate
than the annual seasonal virus?

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and this fact can be read everywhere,
everybody says so...

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Even our minister (Health MP) here...
They admit this is the case.

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Well, if this is the case...

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how can it be that a pandemic has been declared

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bearing in mind the serious political

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consequences which we'll talk about now.

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So this is simply what I'm putting together...

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perhaps the new piece of information
that I'm giving is this...

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and I insist it's from
the "British Medical Journal":

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that the definition of pandemic has changed,

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but this can be seen by anyone

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by asking WHO to send you the pandemic
definitions for 2008 and 2009,

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and there you can see that this change exists.

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It can also be read on their web site, etc.

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In the document that I'm disseminating

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I also quote an article from an American journal,

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where they explain that after visiting
the WHO website they commented

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"Listen, here it says that high mortality
is a pre-requisite for a pandemic

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and here nobody dies..."

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They told them, wait a minute...

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and they changed the definition on the web...

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this article has been quoted
and it's from CNN

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which is not a source under
suspicion in this sense.

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Therefore the WHO irregularity seems
even more serious to me,

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because it's equally objective,
clear and easy to verify,

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and it brings us closer to the
possible real consequences

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so it's not just about elaborating on
possible intentions or who did what

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as you've seen I've stopped there,
because I like to distinguish between

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what I can prove from what I cannot

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but about what it's already happening now
because of this definition.

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To end this part on the irregularities...

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In the USA, due to the 11th June pandemic
declaration because of the new virus,

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this same month, USA declares
Public Health National Emergency,
(TC: in April, 26/04/09)

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which also carries political consequences.

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and this emergency declaration was
possible in the USA

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having at the time, in the month of April

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20 cases of infection and 0 deaths.

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With 20 cases of people infected
all of them documented

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I won't get into the documentation
as I don't wish to drag on...

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But it's also important to know that
the documentation is not so reliable,

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it's not so simple... and also it's not
being carried out now.

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It was in June or July,

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when WHO said to stop verifying
with lab tests who had swine flu or not.

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In the UK, for instance, they do it
through a phone consultation

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where the person reports the flu symptoms,
then they note down swine flu.

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This is the way is done now.

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Therefore when they say there are  12.000,
13.000 cases... whichever number they say now,

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it's very important to be aware of the way in
which these figures are worked out

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Once again, these are  objective facts
that can be verified on the official web,

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WHO, and I'm quoting by heart
but I think it was in July,

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said that there was no need
to verify every case in the laboratory,

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therefore were assuming that
every flu case is a case,

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and in some countries
(in many others they don't even do this)

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in some countries they're
making surveys... based on...

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"we had 100 and 50 were swine flu cases, so
we assume that the rest is also that way"

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but this is a survey or a generalization,

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lacking sufficient data at least on the ones
that I've seen in the books...

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And these are the irregularities.

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Now I'll move on to the third part,
which focuses on the political consequences.

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Political consequences of a pandemic declaration.

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Well, it's as simple as this:

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WHO is an International Organization that...

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normally issues recommendations

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"WHO's recommendations are..."

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then it is assumed that each
sovereign country

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applies or not the recommendations
following its own criteria,
its own circumstances,

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and well, its own internal research.

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In 2005 this changed allowing an exception
precisely in case of a pandemic,

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this means that in case of pandemic WHO doesn't
make recommendations, it gives orders.

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This means that the countries again, this is
verifiable and objective fact

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in the case of a pandemic, the countries...

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...and a pandemic is something very serious,

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a pandemic is, well...
as in the old definition,

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is a real serious threat to the health
of the whole population,

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and that justifies this medical emergency

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it does within the context of the old definition,
not in the one that we have now.

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Therefore with the present definition, well...

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the title has remained the same, global pandemic,
but its contents have totally changed,

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because the significant
mortality rate doesn't exist.

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But the political consequences remain
because of the heading,

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there the law says...
"In case of a pandemic"

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...or the internal rules,
or WHO's regulations

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within their treaties and agreements
with the member countries.

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So from 2005 when faced with a pandemic WHO

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doesn't recommend but orders
member countries which actions to take.

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That's why we hear from the authorities
in Catalonia and the whole of Spain...

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"Were awaiting WHO's recommendations..."

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perhaps that's a manner of speech...

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but it's not just that they are waiting for them
because they think it's the right thing to do

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but because they have to abide by them,
not as recommendation but as order

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from the moment that it's issued.

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Well, you may ask...
and what terrible thing may arrive?

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Well... the mandatory vaccination.

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This is the most important point to me.

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It is very important to spread
this information so that

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even if the vaccination is offered
on a voluntary basis

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the larger the number of people
who know about the circumstances surrounding

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this vaccine and all the facts that we're
telling the better,

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so that each one of us can make
an informed decision

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The point were going to talk about now
is slightly different,

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it's about the real possibility
that this vaccine was issued,

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or distributed, or announced
as a mandatory vaccine.

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And how can it be possible
that I'm forced to have,

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or to accept a vaccine
that I don't wish to have?

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Well the reasoning is quite clear...

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if we are in a global pandemic situation,

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although I insist, even if
in the present case it doesn't qualify...

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It seems that there's a risk
that if a person doesn't take the shot

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this may put other people's health at risk

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Therefore the countries are under obligation
to ensure that the law is obeyed.

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If this is the law, what would this mean?

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Well, the same as usual:
fine or prison.

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Talking about fines. It seems that in Massachusetts,
a document has already been made public

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in preparation for a possible
mandatory vaccination,

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if this was the case the fine
would be 1.000 Dollars per day...

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or it could reach up to
1.000 Dollars a day.

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So the thing works this way,

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You say: "no I don't want to get vaccinated"

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"oh, ok. Then look, 1.000 dollars daily from civil
service, for every day you don't get the vaccine.

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This is a way.

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Other ways that are happening already now,

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but this without the general law
of obligatory nature,

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there are companies that say to their workers,
"if you don't take the shot, I fire you."

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There are open lawsuits
in different countries,

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in the US, in the UK, in France,

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because there are people that
have already faced this dilemma.

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And that have tried to refuse,

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and in some cases in private companies,
where there's no collective labour agreement,

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in US for instance, this has already
made people loose their job

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for refusing to accept this vaccine.

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And you may say: "but there's no vaccine yet."

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Not yet, but the one that is already in distribution,

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because here in the monastery, we already have it,

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and it already exists, is the one for the seasonal flu.

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This has been delivered sooner.

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Because WHO has recommended to give,
the seasonal one and then,

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in most of the cases, in two doses,
the new flu one.

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And now I'm going to talk about this.

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Then, what may happen to a person
who refuses to get this vaccine?

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If the vaccine is not mandatory,
and by now it is not in any country,

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then nothing happens.

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You say no, and sign a document if necessary,
and the same for your children,

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they don't get it and no problem.

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If the vaccine was mandatory,
as I said, fine or prison,

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as it is what must be done in a country,

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if there's a law, it must be obeyed,
if not this would be a joke.

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Let's see, facing this,
this daily 1.000 Dollars fine,

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or facing the possibility
of a prison sentence,

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one would say "let's not exaggerate,

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I got the vaccine every year,
or not me but my father has,

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or I know people who get it,
so we simply get it this year,

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and it's alright
look a disaster,

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they're making money, as always,
as happened with the papilloma.

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but what can I say, I'm not
paying 1.000 Dollars a day,

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or I'm not risking
going into prison".

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Facing this possible answer,

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it is important to know three factors
that makes the vaccine

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of the swine flu, of this year's flu,

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to be different to every year's vaccine.

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I mean, this argument of

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it being the same as every year's vaccine,
but this time it's for the swine virus.

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Well, then we take it, we've been fooled
once again, politicians or whoever,

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but it's not going to be the last time.

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Three novelties, that this vaccine has,
in contrast with the vaccine of every year.

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Why is this vaccine not going to be
the same as every year.

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The first novelty is,  I have already said it,

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because WHO recommends,

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most of the pharmaceuticals
that are producing this vaccine,

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recommend it to be given in two doses.

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This is a novelty.

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Nobody has ever heard before that
flu vaccines come in two doses.

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Normally it's given once and that's all...

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next year you take it again,

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but it's never given in two doses.

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This year it comes in two doses,

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and also, as I said,
WHO has already recommended,

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in fact, the vaccine delivery has already arrived
at senior care homes, monasteries and other places,

465
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:54,330
so that everybody takes the
vaccine for the seasonal virus.

466
00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:59,230
If the WHO's recommendations are followed
this year, those who follow them,

467
00:27:59,230 --> 00:28:02,310
will end up receiving three flu vaccinations,

468
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:05,210
the seasonal one,
the first dose for the swine flu,

469
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:09,850
I've also heard that some laboratories
produce it just with one,

470
00:28:09,850 --> 00:28:13,630
but most of them have announced it will be
a vaccine in two doses.

471
00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:17,180
Therefore, the seasonal one,
that is already available this month,

472
00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:21,430
the first dose for the swine flu,
and the second dose.

473
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,200
That way, the possibility of secondary effects
is multiplied by three,

474
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,620
theoretically it is multiplied by three,

475
00:28:27,620 --> 00:28:29,200
and these vaccines do have secondary effects.

476
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,580
But this is only theoretical, in practice,
nobody knows what could happen,

477
00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:34,370
because it's never been done before.

478
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:39,820
Because no one has ever before received
three doses of the virus,

479
00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:43,550
three shoots with alive viruses of the flu,
and from different types

480
00:28:43,550 --> 00:28:49,980
one after the other, in the middle
of a supposed pandemic or flu season.

481
00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:51,640
This is the first novelty, this is new.

482
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,510
Second novelty.

483
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:55,610
It has to do with the coadjuvants.

484
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:58,300
This has been denounced by
the French Labour Union of Nurses.

485
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,430
The National Nurse Labour Union of France

486
00:29:00,430 --> 00:29:04,400
has published a document that you can also check,
where they talk about,

487
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,290
well they put many examples,
but I'm giving just one,

488
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,510
the company Glaxo Smith Kline, one of the
pharmaceutical that produces the vaccine,

489
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:14,990
in fact it is responsible for the research with
children that it's being done in Spain,

490
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:19,660
the pioneer country in the world,
that has accepted that children,

491
00:29:19,660 --> 00:29:24,800
I think from 6 months old to 17 years old,
try an experimental vaccine,

492
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,800
and thus see what the secondary effects may be,

493
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:29,180
or what point do they reach.

494
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,930
This is the company that promotes this research.

495
00:29:31,930 --> 00:29:40,230
This company is using a coadjuvant that's
never been used before, in those flu vaccines.

496
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:45,100
And this, in different ways, all the companies
that produces swine flu vaccines

497
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,800
have announced that they use
these kinds of stronger coadjuvants

498
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,290
than the kinds that are normally used
every year for flu vaccines.

499
00:29:53,290 --> 00:29:54,880
What is a coadjuvant?

500
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,990
A coadjuvant is a substance that's
generally added to the flu vaccine.

501
00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:07,180
"That it's added" means that the objective of
the coadjuvant is to stimulate and excite

502
00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:13,670
the immune system to produce
a higher immune system response.

503
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:17,960
This is mainly done for the
vaccine to be more effective,

504
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:25,160
but in this case, French nurses have denounced

505
00:30:25,410 --> 00:30:28,110
that this coadjuvant is going to multiply ten times,

506
00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:30,530
this is the intention in the first studies,

507
00:30:30,530 --> 00:30:33,820
multiply ten times the immune system response.

508
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,890
Excite the immune system
of the person so that

509
00:30:37,890 --> 00:30:42,250
it produces a response ten times higher
than the normal and common one.

510
00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:50,500
This coadjuvant seems to mix polysorbate with
the excipient, or the coadjuvant squalene,

511
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:56,800
which is the same used against Anthrax
and was given to the soldiers in the Gulf War,

512
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,640
and there are many studies that prove
that they had serious secondary effects,

513
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,680
in terms of central neurological system,
paralysis and arthritis,

514
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,280
this is the squalene.

515
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,660
This new coadjuvant is, therefore, the second novelty.

516
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:13,650
There are coadjuvants still untested,

517
00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:15,970
and that pharmaceutical companies justify

518
00:31:15,970 --> 00:31:21,780
precisely because they've asked to produce
millions and millions, in fact billions,

519
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:25,550
4.6 billions of doses of this vaccine,
it's what it's been set,

520
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:27,510
to vaccinate the whole population.

521
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:30,110
Rich countries and those pharmaceuticals

522
00:31:30,110 --> 00:31:33,650
have already announced that they are
making donations of millions of doses

523
00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:35,870
to third world countries that
couldn't afford it.

524
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:39,400
So the plan is to vaccinate the
whole world population.

525
00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:44,780
Well, in this production circumstances,
some pharmaceutical companies

526
00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:50,730
justify using coadjuvants, still untested,
so they can put fewer antigens.

527
00:31:51,140 --> 00:31:54,730
-They save.

528
00:31:55,150 --> 00:31:59,160
They can save antigen and in
each injected dose of vaccine,

529
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,310
fewer antigens and more coadjuvant.

530
00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:06,950
Which means, less natural immune system excitation,

531
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:12,220
and more artificial excitation to compensate
the lack of antigen to produce vaccines.

532
00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:14,530
This is the official explanation.

533
00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:16,630
The thing is that it's the second novelty,

534
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:19,700
the coadjuvant is not the same as every year.

535
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:24,670
Therefore nobody knows to what degree
this artificial excitation of the immune system

536
00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:27,430
is going to cause autoimmune diseases.

537
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:30,980
In fact there's one, the
ascending paralysis of Guillain-Barré.

538
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:39,450
This is known or associated to the administration,
for instance, of the flu vaccines in 1976.

539
00:32:39,450 --> 00:32:44,250
In this moment it just affected the US,
in a similar campaign we're living now,

540
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:47,960
also through mass media and politicians.

541
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:54,180
In this campaign they ended up vaccinating
48 million of US citizens.

542
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:59,930
Among theses 48 millions there was,
I don't have the numbers with me right now,

543
00:32:59,930 --> 00:33:04,570
but there were around 3.000 complaints
of paralysis with the Guillain-Barré syndrome.

544
00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:08,830
So this is accepted as a consequence,

545
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:12,540
In fact the CDC, Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention of the United States.
(www.cdc.gov)

546
00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:15,870
have already announced that it is inevitable
that there will be paralysis cases

547
00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:17,590
if the whole of the population gets the vaccine,

548
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:20,740
but, despite this, they're going ahead with it.

549
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:28,190
When, I insist, we must always keep in mind that
this virus of the flu is more benign than the usual virus.

550
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,810
Therefore if check the pros and cons

551
00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:32,610
and this is what French nurses do
in their document,

552
00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:36,380
the possibility of spending a few days
at home with the flu, like every year,

553
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:39,510
in fact, less than every year,

554
00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:41,330
or the possibility of suffering an
ascendant paralysis,

555
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:44,480
which in some cases people recover from
but in many cases they don't,

556
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,780
that can even lead to death, then...

557
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:50,330
at least this information
must reach everybody

558
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:52,830
so everyone takes responsibility.

559
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:59,290
And the last one, the third novelty
regarding every year's vaccine.

560
00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:02,520
The third novelty is that pharmaceutical companies,

561
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,490
because they've been asked to, supposedly

562
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:10,370
make this extraordinary effort

563
00:34:10,370 --> 00:34:13,670
to produce such a vast amount of doses
in a record time,

564
00:34:13,670 --> 00:34:16,940
they are forcing agreements,

565
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:20,820
and in the US it's official that this
agreement has been signed,

566
00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:24,960
agreements to absolve them
of any legal responsibility

567
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:31,350
in case that this vaccine has adverse secondary
effects or even if it causes death.

568
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:37,250
In the US, the Secretary of Health,
Sibelius, signed a document

569
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:41,150
that gives impunity,
political immunity,

570
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,310
it won't be possible to ask
for responsibilities nor compensation,

571
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,740
nor from the involved politicians
nor from the pharmaceutical companies.

572
00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:52,570
This is a third novelty that
I think is very significant,

573
00:34:52,570 --> 00:34:56,150
for money can't buy health or life,

574
00:34:56,410 --> 00:35:01,290
but if the pharmaceutical company
or the responsible person is not...

575
00:35:01,290 --> 00:35:02,950
let's say it other way,

576
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:05,850
is willing to financially compensate

577
00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:10,900
we can take it as guarantee
that it is not foreseen

578
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:14,210
to have an avalanche

579
00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:16,120
of complaints.

580
00:35:16,510 --> 00:35:17,920
If the responsible person makes sure,

581
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,480
with objective, clear, and verifiable
public documents,

582
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,350
that it won't be possible
to bring a lawsuit against them,

583
00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:29,390
he is taking from us an guarantee
that this vaccine

584
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:31,780
is not going to have adverse
secondary effects.

585
00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:35,750
As a thought, I'd say to sum up
what I said up to now,

586
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:42,380
if what happened with Baxter
and those contaminated vaccines,

587
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:45,640
which is proven to be true
and they were contaminated,

588
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,570
we don't know why or how
they were contaminated,

589
00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:51,850
but that they were contaminated
we do know it for sure.

590
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:57,250
If this contamination hadn't been
discovered by chance

591
00:35:57,250 --> 00:36:00,630
and this, let's remember,
was in February in 2009,

592
00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:03,130
today we would have the pandemic,

593
00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:06,830
this terrible pandemic that they're announcing
without a real basis.

594
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:10,370
They're talking about this pandemic
without a real or objective basis.

595
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,560
If, in February, this hadn't
been discovered by chance

596
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,210
by this Czech researcher
or lab technician

597
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:20,590
who carried that test,
which he didn't have to,

598
00:36:20,590 --> 00:36:23,590
today we would have this pandemic
that is being announced.

599
00:36:23,950 --> 00:36:31,210
Then, knowing this, and keeping in mind
the current WHO legislation

600
00:36:31,210 --> 00:36:34,130
and the irregularities, for instance,

601
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:36,660
how is it possible that, what happened in February,

602
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:39,470
has not been discussed in the international press?

603
00:36:39,790 --> 00:36:42,160
How is it possible that politicians
haven't talked about it?

604
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,560
This hasn't had any political or media impact.

605
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:50,290
This, we should ask to ourselves how all
this is possible.

606
00:36:50,290 --> 00:36:52,220
Keeping this in mind,

607
00:36:52,220 --> 00:36:55,350
and keeping in mind that
the pandemic would have happened,

608
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:58,440
if this hadn't been discovered by chance,

609
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,450
I think it's very important to state
that the real threat,

610
00:37:02,450 --> 00:37:06,310
that those vaccines, which
will arrive very soon,

611
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:10,140
are contaminated,
may be contaminated,

612
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:17,630
and that a coercive legislation
could be imposed when,

613
00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:22,790
despite of the fact the they
may be contaminated,

614
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:26,840
a coercive legislation could be imposed

615
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:33,120
that could force all of the population to take
this vaccine by law,

616
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,100
I think this is a risk that cannot be
and must not be minimized.

617
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:42,350
Do, by no means, panic because panic doesn't
help in any way, quite the opposite.

618
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:47,120
But one thing is not promoting,
or having or expressing panic,

619
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:55,190
an another is to not spread or share an
information or a thought, like I'm doing,

620
00:37:55,190 --> 00:38:00,240
that may be important as we
still have time for a reaction

621
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,690
and that's why I think this initiative
is so important.

622
00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:05,700
Therefore do not minimize,

623
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:12,120
this is just a risk, so I can't say for sure
that the vaccines will be contaminated,

624
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,130
I don't know it for sure, I haven't made
them, nor analyzed them,

625
00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:18,440
I don't think it's
going to be easy, either,

626
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,100
to get access to this vaccine in order
to analyze it independently,

627
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:26,770
if it's possible we will try or help to do it.

628
00:38:26,770 --> 00:38:28,780
But I don't know of anybody
who was able to do it.

629
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:33,510
What happens if
more people starts dying now?

630
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:35,730
Or this that was announced,

631
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:38,790
that a second wave is coming
and a mutation is coming?

632
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:41,560
In terms of this, it is also very
important to know that

633
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,660
that swine flu virus has not
mutated in 70 years.

634
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,330
Then how is it possible to
announce a mutation this year

635
00:38:49,330 --> 00:38:52,850
when this virus is not known
to have ever mutated

636
00:38:52,850 --> 00:38:57,420
in this short period of time,
during a period of 70 years?

637
00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:59,250
I mean, what we didn't have for 70 years

638
00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:03,210
is a flu coming in two waves with different virus.

639
00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:05,310
Then again this is an irregularity.

640
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:08,860
But, let's assume that many people
start dying now,

641
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:11,670
because of the flu or
with compatible symptoms,

642
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:15,450
then it will be even more important
to refuse to this vaccination,

643
00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:16,880
for two reasons.

644
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,860
First because if this virus starts giving
an increased mortality,

645
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:23,330
it's because it's not the same.

646
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:24,830
That is, it will have mutated

647
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:29,840
although it's something that
doesn't agree with up-to-date data.

648
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,580
If it has mutated, the vaccine
is not of use anymore.

649
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:33,440
The vaccine that's been produced now,

650
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,610
this is the why every year a
different vaccine is produced,

651
00:39:37,610 --> 00:39:41,640
because there are mutations, we have to produce
a vaccine adapted to the new mutation.

652
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,440
So, if an important
amount of population doesn't die,

653
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,490
it is not necessary to take the vaccine,
because, as I say, the risk is very high,

654
00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:54,170
the risk may be higher than the benefit.

655
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:56,820
If we start seeing a high
rate of mortality caused by this flu,

656
00:39:56,820 --> 00:39:58,480
or because of compatible symptoms,

657
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,480
then, this surprise could only
be due to two reasons.

658
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,350
The first is that the virus has mutated,
therefore the vaccine is not good.

659
00:40:06,350 --> 00:40:09,240
Or second, it is another virus or
other viruses,

660
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,640
and therefore, the vaccine is not good either,

661
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,610
and it could even be the vaccine itself

662
00:40:13,610 --> 00:40:16,700
the means of transmission
of those new viruses,

663
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:19,360
according to what happened
with Baxter in February.

664
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:22,400
This is where my thoughts lead me.

665
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,370
And now I'd like to conclude with a proposal.

666
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:26,400
The proposal is very clear.

667
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,880
On one hand, stay calm,
this is fundamental.

668
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,170
To stay calm, take your usual precautions

669
00:40:35,170 --> 00:40:38,910
to not get infected,
common sense precautions,

670
00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:40,490
and do not get the vaccination.

671
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:41,660
Do not get the vaccination this year

672
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:43,520
because there are all those circumstances.

673
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,130
This is my recommendation,

674
00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:47,280
but is also the recommendation
of many people

675
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,910
of "seny" in Catalonian...

676
00:40:50,910 --> 00:00:00,000
.

677
00:40:51,140 --> 00:40:52,730
- Of common sense
- Of common sense

678
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:55,250
There are many people
talking in this way,

679
00:40:55,250 --> 00:41:00,800
many doctors, a whole association,
nurse unions, and so on...

680
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,310
This is the first part.

681
00:41:01,310 --> 00:41:02,680
But then we have the second part,

682
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,230
which is the one that we may
have not heard so often.

683
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:12,890
And it's that one, that I now, from
this platform we are...

684
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:15,170
Is where I think I'm going to upload...
Can I say it now?

685
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,220
Because last week, in Catalonia,
I started an initiative called

686
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:22,900
Catalunya Religio (.cat)

687
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:27,520
This is a web site, where the photos still don't
appear, as it just started.

688
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,880
But I've been asked to collaborate a bit.

689
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,470
So, this week, I'm going to upload the link
to the document that I'm talking about.

690
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:39,460
I'm also going to give you this document,

691
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:41,490
so I think it's going to be accessible...

692
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,120
So I appeal, from this document,
and now from this visual platform,

693
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,280
I appeal to activate urgently

694
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,120
all the civil citizenship resources,
and legal resources,

695
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,440
to avoid two things in our country.

696
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,650
The first one.

697
00:41:57,650 --> 00:42:02,610
That no one can force
anybody in this country

698
00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:04,800
to get a vaccine that they do not want to get.

699
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,330
And the second one,

700
00:42:06,330 --> 00:42:10,640
those who, of their own will,
desire to get the vaccination, won't be deprived of,

701
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,580
I mean, to avoid that anyone who desires
to get the vaccine is deprived of

702
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:20,500
his right to ask for responsibilities
or financial compensation

703
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:24,710
in case the vaccine causes him
serious disease or death.

704
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:28,380
First maybe a personal note, it would be about

705
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:33,300
this part of "experts".
More and more,

706
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,350
the world seems to move around experts,

707
00:42:35,350 --> 00:42:41,260
and that a person who is not a doctor
or public health doctor,

708
00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:42,740
or who does not have credentials,

709
00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:47,110
or who doesn't consider themselves
to have enough knowledge

710
00:42:47,110 --> 00:42:51,260
to critically evaluate this mass of information
that comes to us from everywhere,

711
00:42:51,260 --> 00:42:55,520
it seems hard...
unless it is investigative journalism ,

712
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,740
or people who have been preparing
for many years to do this.

713
00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:04,350
What happens with those
who are actually health professionals?

714
00:43:04,350 --> 00:43:09,830
That they have, unlike me,
in this my case it's different,

715
00:43:09,830 --> 00:43:18,350
their work depends on them acting according to
what the profession as a whole is saying,

716
00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:20,100
on not going far away from it.
It's really hard.

717
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,470
If I were practicing medicine at a hospital,
as I was for several years,

718
00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:26,510
I don't know if I would be talking here and now.

719
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:29,830
I know I have the knowledge and education,

720
00:43:29,830 --> 00:43:34,600
but my work, my everyday life and my
surroundings don't depend on that

721
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,180
my medical community,
from Barcelona or my country,

722
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:43,540
may think what I'm saying
is correct or incorrect.

723
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:47,400
That is I don't have to feel this fear,
and I say this just to point that

724
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:53,370
it may be a reason for some health professionals
who think the same way I do,

725
00:43:53,370 --> 00:43:54,970
or who are asking themselves these
same questions but say

726
00:43:54,970 --> 00:44:01,660
"if I'm not 100% sure I don't take
the risk of making these questions"

727
00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:03,750
Although, I must also say

728
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:06,190
that there are many health
professionals in our country that,

729
00:44:06,190 --> 00:44:07,870
maybe not everything I've said,

730
00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:10,640
maybe they haven't touched
the political aspects that much,

731
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,240
but they perfectly handle the scientific data,

732
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,970
and they have made them public,
with even more data than I've given.

733
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:20,480
In this way, it's very important to know

734
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,100
that this is not something particular.

735
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:26,470
I would like to make a note on "fear".

736
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:32,250
Well, we must not be scared of
the known swine flu (A).

737
00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:36,950
Because, as I've said a few times,
but I'll say it once more,

738
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:41,120
according to objective facts, it has a lower
mortality rate than seasonal flu.

739
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,640
I didn't mention this in the data but,
the mortality rate of every year's flu,

740
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,130
the good years in Europe,
the flu is not the same every year,

741
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:51,850
some years it's severe, or more severe,

742
00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:53,720
and some others it's more benign.

743
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:55,880
So, the official data

744
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:59,860
of the diseases centre,

745
00:45:00,110 --> 00:45:01,800
or the regulator centre,

746
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,880
the centre that collects this information
at European level,

747
00:45:05,610 --> 00:45:07,110
that would be the CDC in the US,

748
00:45:07,110 --> 00:45:12,980
then the European is called E, from Europe, ECDC.
(European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control
http://ecdc.europa.eu)

749
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:14,350
This centre's numbers are:

750
00:45:14,350 --> 00:45:19,280
the good years of flu 40.000 people die

751
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,630
from complications associated
or derived directly to the flu.

752
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,140
40.000 in a flu season.

753
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:26,730
This is the good years.

754
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:28,130
The bad years,

755
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:32,250
the numbers that handles this ECDC,
this official agency,

756
00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:34,730
is 220.000 deaths.

757
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:37,300
It's important to know it
because when one says:

758
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:38,850
"120 people have died!"

759
00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:42,230
Well, let's wait, we cannot just
count them one by one...

760
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:45,310
If every year, as a normal fact,
in the best of the years,

761
00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:47,230
40.000 people die,

762
00:45:47,230 --> 00:45:49,920
and in bad years 220.000,

763
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,840
if we count one by one,
we spread a unjustified panic.

764
00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:01,420
Therefore we mustn't fear or feel panic

765
00:46:01,420 --> 00:46:03,290
to the swine flu that is currently circulating,

766
00:46:03,570 --> 00:46:06,250
if we take into account the numbers I've just quoted.

767
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:11,480
However, in everything that I've said
there are many elements that may cause fear,

768
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,960
or that can cause anguish,
or a real concern.

769
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,720
I think that this anguish, and real concern
is good to have it,

770
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,190
it's not good to let it shadow
the political action,

771
00:46:24,190 --> 00:46:25,510
because that's what it's all about.

772
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:26,760
Now we are in time,

773
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,840
Nobody has declared a National Emergency,

774
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,970
nobody can do it either
with the information we have,

775
00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:34,250
this would be impossible.

776
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:38,810
Now we have the doors open
to act politically at a political level,

777
00:46:38,810 --> 00:46:43,420
to ensure the two things I said before, in our country.

778
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:47,420
That nobody can be forced to get
a vaccine that they don't wish

779
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:53,560
And those freely desire it, and get it,
won't be deprived of their right,

780
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:59,640
to demand political responsibilities
and receive financial compensations.

781
00:47:00,620 --> 00:47:02,250
And just as another note,

782
00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:04,930
If you want me to say something
about what's going round,

783
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:08,330
That I didn't want to discuss directly,

784
00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:11,780
well, this hypothesis that seems to underlie,

785
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:13,510
that it's some sort of a plot...

786
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:14,570
"what in the world is this?"

787
00:47:14,570 --> 00:47:17,430
A plot to do something...

788
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:19,140
Because WHO has said all of that.

789
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:22,250
I'm not answering these questions,
because I can not answer them.

790
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:24,580
But I may make a little note,

791
00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:28,700
So, as far as we now about the history of humanity,

792
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,390
there have been groups who
wanted to dominate the world.

793
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:34,680
This is not new. We cannot come
in the 21st century and say

794
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,300
"Ah! There's a group who wants
to dominate the world".

795
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:40,250
Sorry but that is not new,

796
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:43,900
it's as old as the world.

797
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,500
From the Romans, and if we go further,
the Incas and every known Empire...

798
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:51,610
with a good intention.

799
00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:55,980
That is, an intention to fix a world that is chaotic,
and difficult to control, so let us control it,

800
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:59,300
whomever this "us" is,
to help humanity.

801
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:03,280
To actually make a world
where there's a minimum order.

802
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,280
So we won't have a Hitler here,
another thing there.

803
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,810
And for a long time it's being said
that there is overpopulation.

804
00:48:11,810 --> 00:48:16,530
Well, if that was so, even if we look at it
from this kind of hypothesis,

805
00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:21,300
I think fear is unjustified
by this historical background.

806
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:24,400
It's just being aware that
this happened before in history.

807
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,980
There have been people who, irresponsibly,
have caused world wars,

808
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:34,270
and they could have foreseen
and acted politically but they didn't.

809
00:48:34,770 --> 00:48:36,260
We're in the 21st century.

810
00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:40,140
Human beings are the same
with their extreme goodness.

811
00:48:40,140 --> 00:48:46,270
And this conspiracies will never be
able to break this human goodness,

812
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:48,880
this impossibility to control the whole world.

813
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,370
But that there are people who try,

814
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:52,460
throughout history they have always existed.

815
00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:58,740
And I'm not amazed at the possibility that
this has something to do with this kind of action.

816
00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:03,140
I think that the spectacular nature of talking about

817
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:06,100
international plots,
global mass murder...

818
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:08,130
Shadows the other side.

819
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:10,520
And I think it's a bit self-defeating,

820
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,550
I mean, now I'd like to not have said it...

821
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:18,520
just because with the things I said before,
which is all I wrote in the written document,

822
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,970
is more than enough.

823
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:24,700
Is more than enough for any person willing to

824
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,430
take political responsibility or action,

825
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:30,960
may be able to say "OK, I've had enough,
I know what I must do."

826
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,740
Well, each one will do what they want,

827
00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:37,970
but at least it is an easy, objective and

828
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:40,410
well-founded information.

829
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:48,770
While, if we dwell on this almost morbidity,

830
00:49:48,770 --> 00:49:50,470
saying that "they want to dominate us...

831
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:52,810
There's a group that wants
to own the whole humanity!"

832
00:49:52,810 --> 00:49:54,690
We rush off...

833
00:49:54,690 --> 00:49:58,750
and I insist, I'm not saying it's possible,
but I'm not interested in touching that,

834
00:49:58,750 --> 00:50:02,750
because I think we are
onto something more serious,

835
00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:05,400
which is this possibility,

836
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,500
in a few weeks or a month,
when those vaccines arrive,

837
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:14,150
to really take up on a civilian action,
and maybe, let me finish with this,

838
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:19,670
these groups who
care about human rights,

839
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:23,650
and about the quality of our democracies...

840
00:50:23,650 --> 00:50:24,310
Because we talk about democracies,

841
00:50:24,310 --> 00:50:27,270
but when they are put into practice,

842
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:29,780
happens as here in Catalonia.

843
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,210
Almost a year ago, there was
a legislative initiative of the people,

844
00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:40,220
because Catalonia is, well Spain
is the country, in the European Union,

845
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:43,230
with the highest proportion
of transgenic farming,

846
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:45,650
and it's located, around 80%,

847
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:48,500
and I'm quoting from memory,
it may not be accurate,

848
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:50,820
but it's not very far.

849
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:51,990
it's located in Catalonia.

850
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:55,680
Therefore, from Catalonian "pagesia"
(peasants) there was this initiative

851
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,330
to promote this legislative initiative of the people,

852
00:50:58,330 --> 00:51:02,870
to debate in the parliament whether or not
this should be.

853
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:06,300
For instance, the transgenic in Catalonia,
are not in all of Spain,

854
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:10,760
the products, from the supermarket,
are not labelled to show

855
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,510
if they contain transgenic or not.

856
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:17,980
And this was one of the proposals in the project.

857
00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:20,760
According to our democracies,
the minimum number of signatures

858
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,200
needed to promote a
legislative initiative for the people

859
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,340
is 50.000 signatures.

860
00:51:27,340 --> 00:51:29,510
And collecting 50.000 signatures is a lot of work.

861
00:51:29,790 --> 00:51:31,450
Well, they were collected

862
00:51:31,450 --> 00:51:33,320
or we collected, as I also participated,

863
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,200
102.000 signatures.

864
00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:39,530
Despite this, the Catalonian Parliament
has said that they're not going to debate it.

865
00:51:39,930 --> 00:51:42,280
This happened here this year.

866
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,430
It's only an example of what I want to say

867
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:49,320
when I talk about monitoring
the quality of our democracies.

868
00:51:49,820 --> 00:51:53,140
So they won't be formal democracies
but, at the time of truth,

869
00:51:53,140 --> 00:51:59,860
there's a political practice
that is closer to a dictatorship

870
00:51:59,860 --> 00:52:00,760
than to a democracy.

871
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,390
Oh yes, what I wanted to say...

872
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:04,480
Those who monitor,

873
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,120
the different people and groups,
and jurists groups,

874
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,980
and groups of people for the human rights...

875
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:12,170
But not the official ones.

876
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:20,860
Those groups commented, or summarised
or highlighted in different documents

877
00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:24,220
as something special what happened in Spain...

878
00:52:24,220 --> 00:52:25,650
When Aznar...

879
00:52:25,650 --> 00:52:28,330
When the terrorist attack in Madrid...

880
00:52:28,330 --> 00:52:31,290
March, 11th of 2004.

881
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:34,840
When there was the terrorist attack in Madrid,
there was a political change,

882
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,520
Popular Party (PP) lost
and Socialist Party (PSOE) won.

883
00:52:38,770 --> 00:52:43,740
Well, this popular response against an attempt

884
00:52:43,740 --> 00:52:48,310
from those who held the power,
to give an official version of the facts,

885
00:52:48,310 --> 00:52:50,310
making use of a moment of panic.

886
00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:52,990
And that was trying to imitate
what happened in the US

887
00:52:52,990 --> 00:52:55,960
where, from a terrorist attack,

888
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,770
that you may talk about causes and authors...
there are also many theories,

889
00:53:00,770 --> 00:53:03,870
but the one sure thing is that it causes
panic among the population

890
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:06,920
and they make use of that panic to
reduce people's freedom.

891
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,150
That didn't happen here.

892
00:53:08,410 --> 00:53:12,220
And this, as I say, it's been highlighted
by international groups, that say...

893
00:53:12,220 --> 00:53:16,650
as if the Spanish State was an example of
what happened...

894
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:18,310
an spontaneous call of people,

895
00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:22,400
strong enough to take the streets,
this is a lot nowadays,

896
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:29,120
and stop the manipulation where
they were near a declaration

897
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,710
of a state of emergency or whatever,
to justify this reduction in people's freedom.

898
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:36,920
Then, well... We've done it before,

899
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,940
so come on, and let's do it again.

900
00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:51,480
a report by:
Alicia Ninou and Judith Abadías
Barcelona 09/23/2009

901
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,440
Transcripción:
Amalia, Alish y gripeArtificial
Translation and Subtitles:
Marta Cobos (gripeArtificial)
Correction of translation:
Marina and Paula Hernández

902
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:10,470
TERESA FORCADES I VILA
Degree in Medicine from the University of Barcelona.
Specialy in Internal Medicine
at the New York State University.
PHD in Public Health from the University of Barcelona.
Degree in Theology from Harvard University.
Benedictine nun at the monastery of Saint Benet
in Montserrat, Barcelona.

903
00:54:12,670 --> 00:54:16,420
TC: Teresa Forcades has corrected
on the subtitles some of the figures
and data quoted in this interview.

904
00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:29,450
We've made this interview with the only intention of spreading all this information to the largest number of
people, so that people can decide of their own free will.

905
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:33,610
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